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billyHill Moderator
billyHill Apr 18 '16
story found here : https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pennsylvania-becomes-24th-state-with-legal-medical-marijuana/
video on original page above.
Pa. becomes 24th state with legal medical marijuana

Tom Wolf delivers a speech after being sworn in as the 47th Governor of Pennsylvania during an inauguration at the State Capitol in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania January 20, 2015.

REUTERS/Mark Makela

HARRISBURG, Pa. - Pennsylvania has become the 24th state to legalize a comprehensive medical marijuana program.

Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf signed the bill into law Sunday afternoon surrounded by a jubilant crowd of supporters at the Capitol building in Harrisburg.

"Marijuana is medicine and it's coming to Pennsylvania," said Democratic Sen. Daylin Leach, the bill's co-sponsor.

The bill's drafters say it could take two years to write regulations and get retailers opened, but a provision allows parents to legally administer medical marijuana to their children before the bill takes effect in a month.

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The bill sets standards for tracking plants, certifying physicians and licensing growers, dispensaries and physicians. Patients could take marijuana in pill, oil, vapor, ointment or liquid form, but would not be able to legally obtain marijuana to smoke or grow.

Sen. Mike Vereb, a Republican, called on lawmakers to take on what he called "the number-one killer in Pennsylvania" - opioid abuse.

"Opioid abuse has no party, has no color, has no religion," Vereb said. "Let's face it, that's the killer. What we're doing today is the healer."

Among those celebrating the victory was parent Dana Ulrich, who has fought for legal access to the drug in the belief that it would help her 8-year-old daughter Lorelei, who has numerous seizures every day.

"I never doubted for one second that this day would come," she told the crowd, thanking patient advocates and caregivers as well as lawmakers and the governor. "When you get a group of truly dedicated people together, that have the same goal and the same mind and the same hearts, you can achieve anything."

Wolf called it "a great, great day for Pennsylvania, but more important, a great day for Pennsylvanians." He said he and lawmakers were responding not to a special interest group or to campaign contributors, but to "a real human need."

"When you have people who represent a cause as eloquently and in as heartfelt a way as the advocates for this have done, it shows that we can actually get something done that means something," Wolf said.



While I don't personally use it, I really don't see any harm in anyone else using it for medical, or recreational use ( provided they are not driving / operating heavy equipment while high, anyhow).

I think the long outdated laws of it being classified as one of the worst illegal drugs along side cocaine, heroine, morphine, and other class 1 substances is so grossly far off base it isn't funny.

Have you ever been in a room full of people smoking dope ( or eating as the case may be) and found someone or multiple people getting stupidly rowdy??  I haven't. Its a mellow buzz. You get a buzz, you will likely eat, then go nappy night night. On the other hand what about legal alcohol??  aren't barroom brawls started because someone ( or more than one) got too drunk and all of a sudden was 10 foot tall and bullet proof??

I also think the US Gov't is starting to take note of the uses for the medicine and recreational use for one large reason, the tax base it will create. I'm pretty sure they are taxing it to death in Colorado and Washington, and those states have seen red numbers turn into black with the additional tax revenue from the sale of it.

Not to mention all of the people in jail now for everything from simple possession to marketing the stuff because it was illegal. I think here in California they estimate it takes $60,000 / year to house one inmate. if all of the inmates doing time for simple possession / marketing were let out of jail it would reduce the cost of housing them in jail by 40% or more. ( in other words 40 % of the inmates are there for possession / marketing ). That would make room for the real criminals. Smoking / using dope is not a crime.

I know many of my friends that have served in Desert Storm, Afghanistan, Iraq, Vietnam, and other conflicts that have PTSD ( look it up if you don't know that acronym). And they claim it is the only thing that keeps them from having flashbacks of the war(s). Who am I to doubt what they say?? 

with 24 out of 50 states legalizing it, the Feds will have to do something sooner than later. While there are only 3 of 50 that have legalized it for recreational use, there will be more to come, again sooner than later in my opinion. ( at least I hope).

Just to recap, I do not personally use the stuff, and probably would not even if it were legalized. But that doesn't stop me from having an opinion on the matter.
spectrumAU Moderator
spectrumAU Apr 18 '16
Yep, Oz has picked up that baton as well.
tris
tris Apr 21 '16
As former smoker of Marijuana aka Cannabis Sativa , I feel obliged to add one or two explanations about recreational and medical uses.


In fact Marijuana in a rather strange plant because it exists under two forms , the real  term is gender :


The female form gets you high and used for recreational use.

The male form doesn't get you high and it's that form which used for medical cares.


Also knowing that  the medical use is a bit like morphine known to be a painkiller, the main interest of Marijuana is to remove secondary effects of big treatments as by example appetite loss to support the patient .

Quarnicus
Quarnicus Apr 21 '16
I've been smoking pot my whole life, if there's any painkiller effects, I wish they would inform my back and my bad knee.... lol


Kimo
Kimo Jun 24 '16
Well if people believe it will remove drugs from the illegal side that is rarely the case at times in holland prices are half from legal cofeeshops what you can find for let me say 8 euros a gram you could get it half price on the illegal market - holland legal since 1968 22% users of 18-60 years old france very represivive and 66% users in france....
Kimo
Kimo Jun 24 '16
The black market uses no income tax or VAT tho prices will always be less high or people over 18 can have 2 plants to grow - you have some small towns in belgium with up to 70-80 dealers - but it should be legal everywhere - if hard drugs like alcohol or nicotine are legal - why should psychedelic soft drugs be illegal?
billyHill Moderator
billyHill Jun 24 '16
Kimo, I don't think MJ (pot) deserves the title of psychedelic drug to start with. It mellows you out, but I have never had a virtual acid trip using it. Not even close. I think the Govt's reclassified it as a psychedelic drug to create fear into the public.

I've seen documentaries that state it was not a classified substance until the movie put out by the government called "Refer Madness" hit the nation in the late 1930's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reefer_Madness

When the government wants you to believe something, they stop at nothing to make sure you will believe it with every fiber of your being, no matter the truth nor the cost involved.
billyHill Moderator
billyHill Jun 24 '16
and to your point Kimo, wherever there is a market there will be a black market for that item. I won't go into examples but they exist for everything from animals to plants and rocks, not to mention humans themselves.
Kimo
Kimo Jun 24 '16
Don't say that Billy naturally the plant has like 7-8% THC - in some cases now in holland it's already up to 20-25% THC and yes it's like 500 other plants to be psychedelic - sure not as concentrated or strong like mexican magical mushrooms or mescaline from cactuses even some hashish is a lot stronger now than it was many years ago for some at 25% THC is like a mini trip - more soft sure lol
Kimo
Kimo Jun 24 '16
Hoffmann who invented by the way LSD the alcaline of a grain mushroom - in his book about old traditions and plants lists and analyzes 500 psychedelic plants and sure canabis and his derivates grass hash oil are listed as psychedelic and it's oldest plant used in the world to enter in contact with the gods - very interesting book - by the way the holy soma bewerage of the hindu gods was a kind of strong hash - like used in peacepipes of ancient indians.... Tho it's as old as the world....
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billyHill Moderator
billyHill Jun 25 '16
here is an interesting quote from the Department of Transportation : https://www.nhtsa.gov/people/injury/research/job185drugs/cannabis.htm
Drug Class:Cannabis/ Marijuana: spectrum of behavioral effects is unique, preventing classification of the drug as a stimulant, sedative, tranquilizer, or hallucinogen. Dronabinol: appetite stimulant, antiemetic.

Effects: Pharmacological effects of marijuana vary with dose, route of administration, experience of user, vulnerability to psychoactive effects, and setting of use.


Psychological: At recreational doses, effects include relaxation, euphoria, relaxed inhibitions, sense of well-being, disorientation, altered time and space perception, lack of concentration, impaired learning and memory, alterations in thought formation and expression, drowsiness, sedation, mood changes such as panic reactions and paranoia, and a more vivid sense of taste, sight, smell, and hearing. Stronger doses intensify reactions and may cause fluctuating emotions, flights of fragmentary thoughts with disturbed associations, a dulling of attention despite an illusion of heightened insight, image distortion, and psychosis.


Physiological: The most frequent effects include increased heart rate, reddening of the eyes, dry mouth and throat, increased appetite, and vasodilatation.


Kimo
Kimo Jun 27 '16
Theiy list effects as well as halucinogenic sure depending the thc inside and the quality and quantity of your mari or hash joints - i remember having smoked some hash in india or nepal - like nepali cashmire or bombay black - nearly like a trip - same could be said anout maroccan triple 0 or red lebanese or nearer usa in mexico like the acapulco gold & silvet or others like mari foim congo nigeria or ghana - in 1980 i made my military duty and they send me to africa - there a friend tested the one from congo 3 days hospital with red eyes like an albino rabbit lol - that said the black market usually don't sell that too ecpensive to buy they mostly take low quality to make more cash... By legalizing it quality will grow.... And black market will rise their quality too....
Kimo
Kimo Jun 27 '16
Also legalizing it like some benelux kingdoms then it's like tobacco or alcohol there is a national health secu tax on it 22% vat + employer and income taxes to sell it officially like in holland - but police will no more pass their days only on that instead to purchase crime and protect citizens.... Only a social state more on it take off crime from the streets - give 1500 us dollars to everybody at least if he has no job like in some benelux or scandinavian kingdoms than people have money can grow grass or buy it without needing crime to get to eat or to get some money. Sure with such a system some might pay 80% income taxes others nothing... A bit like what sanders campaigned for - a bit like european health secu...  Just my 2 cents on it.
Constantineb
Constantineb Aug 4 '16
Coloradosweetheart ! You are right about that . Government shouldn't be able to tell anybody what they can put in their body or not , the constitution doesn't give them that right , you are right on the money , when it's ileagal , it only profits the mafia , and the government which behind all this traffic anyway ( read about Mena AR and the clintons ) and are using all that money to take away our freedom . If anybody wants more evidence go to : hour of the time . Com , listen on the audio files in there and see why they want it ileagal .
Quarnicus
Quarnicus Aug 7 '16
War on drugs has worked so well.....lololol

If the drug companies could get rid of aspirin they get rid of that too.. I recommend you will start with some reading , the Emperor wears no clothes is a good start..


billyHill Moderator
billyHill Aug 8 '16
There is a reason it has been legal in California for medical use for years, and now PA. Colorado, Washington State have approved it for recreational use as well. Hopefully CA will do the same this November when it is on the ballot again.

what sickens me is that the Feds still come to CA ( and the other states it is legal in) and rip apart legal dispensaries, and charge the owners/employees with crimes even though the States have legalized it. The Feds are acting far beyond their own reach by doing that. Not to mention I am so sure there are so many better and more important things they could be doing with their time ( Like catching foreign cartels importing heroine, cocaine, and other real drugs into this country). But no, they pick on legitimate businesses. I guess it is an easier target for them.

It became illegal in the early 1900's, prior to that it was an herbal medicine used frequently, and the ropes and fabrics made from its stalks were some of the toughest on the market. Less than 100 years of being outlawed and so many "turn minnows into Marlins" stories are made up about it that it isn't funny.

To your "get hooked on drugs" point, bluerider, anybody can get "hooked" on anything. It does not have to be a drug, it can be a feeling, a material object, a sense, or any number of things. Some might tell me I am "hooked" on Advil because I take so much of it to keep the pain from my arthritis down. Let them say what they want, I don't care. I'd rather suck down pills I don't need a script from the doc to buy rather than some of the nasty stuff doctors legally get people addicted to. 

So what is the difference, if a doctor gets you "hooked", then its OK because it is legal?? No, the fact is it still an addiction, and the people who are addicted are the ones that are responsible to get themselves out of the hole, not some government with "laws to protect us from ourselves". 
billyHill Moderator
billyHill Aug 8 '16
prohibition in the early century should have showed us that Americans will do what they want to, regardless of what the law says. The Gov't was smart enough to realize tax and regulate it was better than the alternative then.

They need to now do the same with pot. Tax and regulate is a much better alternative to jail, permanently scar families and people because some people prefer the buzz from pot vs alcohol. Prior to the 1920's or 30's, hemp was used as a tough fabric and rope material, not to mention a seasoning in the kitchen on many recipes.

The Dudley-Do-right Attitude of our leaders has made a mess of things, and is far from being right, IMHO.


billyHill Moderator
billyHill Aug 12 '16
and the Fed DEA made an announcement today that they don't care what the States do, as long as it is illegal on a Federal level, they will continue their "War on Drugs".....

https://www.dea.gov/divisions/hq/2016/hq081116.shtml

among other crap cited.... "

AUG 11 (WASHINGTON) - The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) announced several marijuana- related actions, including actions regarding scientific research and scheduling of marijuana, as well as principles on the cultivation of industrial hemp under the Agricultural Act of 2014.

DEA Publishes Responses to Two Pending Petitions to Reschedule Marijuana
DEA has denied two petitions to reschedule marijuana under the Controlled Substances Act (CSA). In response to the petitions, DEA requested a scientific and medical evaluation and scheduling recommendation from the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS), which was conducted by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in consultation with the National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA). Based on the legal standards in the CSA, marijuana remains a schedule I controlled substance because it does not meet the criteria for currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States, there is a lack of accepted safety for its use under medical supervision, and it has a high potential for abuse.

"

Marisa Admin
Marisa Nov 25 '16
okay, so California legalized the recreational marijuana. Personally, don't care what people drink or smoke, this is their own life, their own health and it is none of my business. 


However, I am a bit worried about driving. This is where everybody is affected. Drinking makes you high, marijuana makes you high... But drinking and driving is illegal and if a cop stops you, he can do a simple test and know you've been drinking (or sometimes just SMELL it). But what about marijuana? Is it illegal to smoke and drive? How do cops deal with it? How can they tell somebody is high on marijuana and not just being an asshole?

billyHill Moderator
billyHill Nov 25 '16
I agree with you 100%, Marisa. Not only for Alcohol and Pot, but anything that adjusts your concept of depth, color, speed, and perception in general ( so add tons of prescription drugs to that as well). I personally believe prescription drugs are the worst offenders in the country because doctors / pharmacists do not adequately warn about possible interactions and indications of the medicines they prescribe and fill.

And I also agree with the I really don't care what anyone else does part of what you said. I personally do not do pot, but that doesn't mean it should be illegal.

I haven't read the text of the new law yet, Marisa. But there has to be an allowance for DWH ( driving while HIGH) in the text of it. I know Colorado really had an issue with it because THC ( the active ingredient in pot) stays in your body for a month or more sometimes. So they were trying to find acceptable levels similar to Blood Alcohol Content (BAC) for drunk drivers that would be fair to all parties involved.

It is completely unfair of them to say "you had THC in your body" when the last time you got buzzed was 3 or 4 weeks ago. After all the buzz only lasts a few hours at the most. Unless of course you continue to keep smoking / eating the stuff....

Maybe I'll have some time in late December / January to do some research into the law itself.
There is an organization called National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws ( NORML) that if you care to Google it might have some of the answers you are looking for. That would be the first place I'd look then after that go to the text of prop 64 and look for keywords in the actual text itself.

If anyone else can add in some factual information to this topic, please do.
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