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Kimo
Kimo Sep 2 '15
What should the occident do close or open all border and who can stay and who not?
billyHill Moderator
billyHill Sep 4 '15
Usually when we ask a question here Kimo, we give our own opinion and answer when we ask it.

That way those who answer the question have a template to follow with their answers.

In other words, after your question, go ahead and say " I think XXX is the answer because........"

what is an occident, anyhow?? 
Kimo
Kimo Sep 4 '15
The occodent are the rich countries usa, canada, europe, australia etc... Now that millions escape war zones or famine in africa or asia....


I think we cannot expulse them nor have we work for everyone, most countries refuse them Instead to fix worldwide quotas between the rich countries....

billyHill Moderator
billyHill Sep 4 '15
The US is rich? Maybe they don't broadcast the fact that we owe $19 Trillion ( yes, that is a T, not a B) to the Chinese in your area. Being in debt is far from having any money.

I'm all for legal immigration to the US, but people who think they can just appear here and "it will be OK" should not be here in the first place. I mean, you don't leave your door open for anyone on the street to just come inside your home and make themselves at home, do you??  I sure don't, and I think with good reason, too.

We typically do not have the numbers of people coming here that you guys in Europe and Asia have, just because of the distance involved.
Kimo
Kimo Sep 4 '15
Yes europe is still in crisis too. Tho difficult and what to do with all those peoples?
billyHill Moderator
billyHill Sep 7 '15
That is one of the drags about being the "European Nation". Citizens from any country in the EU are allowed to travel into other countries with no papers. So technically, if the refugee is coming from an EU country, they should be allowed into another EU country.

If they are coming from Africa / Asia then that is a different story, and they need to follow standard immigration procedures. I realize it is a life or death decision, and government's can't make any decisions with speed, let alone life or death ones... so it is a tough place to be in.

Why don't the local countries that are being slammed with the terrorists get together, form an allied nation, and kiss A$$ of the terrorists??  O wow, now there is something everyone can fight about, right ??
Kimo
Kimo Sep 14 '15
Hope all this won't drive us into a war as more and more neo-nazi parties will get on power - belgium holland france or scandinavians will vote for those extreme right parties.    more and more europeans voted already for them and some already govern european countries + the war against the islamic state... I see it here & more and more search refuge in those parties + tho add on top of that now the refugees and it will get worse people divided already will divide more.... Since charlie in paris i see more and more  rasism anti islam in benelux or france already some parts of dutch belgian or french cities already have up to 50-60% of islamics with many pro charia parties created...
The Forum post is edited by Kimo Sep 14 '15
billyHill Moderator
billyHill Sep 16 '15
ya know Kimo, you bring up some very valid points. I hadn't given that much thought to the situation, probably because it didn't affect me over here in the USA as much. ]

Now I've heard we are going to accept tens of thousands of Syrian refugees ( this is where ISIS or ISIL started, yes), and I know the Gov't here does a most crappy job at vetting people they let in. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that out of 1000 refugees from Syria, 300 or more of them are actual terrorists, or wannabe terrorists ( which can be as bad or worse).


billyHill Moderator
billyHill Sep 16 '15
Funny how a story like that did not make the international news, Wind. All we see are the sob stories of how these "poor people" are being treated like animals, or worse than animals.......

Culture / religion plays a major role in both behavior, and society's laws. I completely understand where you are coming from.

I recall being in the LTA ( land transit Authority) in the Philippines to get a driver's license one day. It was 100+ ℉ and close to 100% humidity that day and I wore shorts.

The guard at the door refused to let me in, citing the shorts I had on as the problem.

I looked inside, found a few others with shorts on, and said "they got shorts on!!!"

"They are women" came the answer.

"So what? that is discrimination!!" I claimed... he laughed and told me he'd rather see their legs than mine. Lia pulled me aside and told me men were not allowed in gov't buildings with shorts on. We were even supposed to have long sleeved shirts, but that was mostly overlooked.

I wound up going to a local store, buying pants, and going back to the LTA for my license. 

Moral of the story is I was in their country, and had to follow their rules. If I did not like it, I could have left and gone back to America....
Kimo
Kimo Sep 16 '15
Yes but in a sense us uk and france by killing the dictators of those states created the problem we face now - it's like a slap in the face back - what our german friend commented about it sure is the main point of this tragedy......


The allies created the problem what now?

The Forum post is edited by Kimo Sep 16 '15
billyHill Moderator
billyHill Sep 16 '15
I don't want to get into a "blame game". But let me ask you this. Lets say you had a colony of ants or bees on your porch. You didn't want them there, so you got some bug spray and killed some of them, including the queen.....

then all the bugs start coming in your house because they have no one to follow or give them orders.....

Would you consider that your fault for killing the queen? Or would you just keep trying to kill more bugs to get the final result you want and not worry about blaming anyone??

My point is simple, you can play the "Blame game" all you want, it will not change the facts.

Do you want results? or do you want to place blame? If you are happier finding fault and placing blame, then by all means do so. It will not get you any closer to your goal. It might help you feel better, but it won't change any circumstances.

for that matter, why is the blame being placed on the nations that ousted known dictators that were God awful human rights violators?

Why can't the blame be placed on ISIS, or the Jihadist extremist Muslims that are causing all of the people to run from their lands to start with??  Are you saying that you agree with ISIS and their terrorist activities?? Maybe I am missing something.
Kimo
Kimo Sep 17 '15
Sure Billy you are also right - but now in your exemple now that the bees are in your house you would kill them all or try to judge or educate them...


By killing them all it makes you a worse slaughterer than their leaders and by keeping them Well terorists could creep in among them.... And in the end kill you....


My point is that the effort and money all that did cost the western world could have been used instead to help our own poors, better education welfare, work for all etc....


Sure tho everything is related to cause and effect and I hope our politicians got a lesson out of it.... And that it will serve to create a better world....

The Forum post is edited by Kimo Sep 17 '15
Kimo
Kimo Sep 17 '15
Well now we try to be friends with the ayatollahs to fight the IS in iraq - which as well imposed sharia and slaughter people.... Or bomb syria - IS slaughters and the dictator slaighters who will took over that country after we bombed them... New extremists? A new dictator? And if we don't like them afterwards.... Bomb them down again? It's a game without end - since biblical times that regions in war......
Kimo
Kimo Sep 17 '15
Between the Benelux kingdoms and france yearly around 10.000 18-20 year old all second or third generation with ordinary not very religious families decide to leave everything for the IS state. I saw the other day on TV. Still a big problem and that give wind to the neo nazi parties. That will be even worse. Plus all those refugees gives them points. And can change our freedom.
Kimo
Kimo Sep 29 '15
Lol it's 3 years jail if they return they are european citizen all
Quarnicus
Quarnicus Oct 15 '15
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Lol u gotta love some of these people...

 It's like Middle Eastern millennial's

The Forum post is edited by Quarnicus Oct 15 '15
billyHill Moderator
billyHill Oct 18 '15
Hey Q, the link above took me to a basic advert page with all kinds of UT videos on it.

Is that what you wanted us to see, or was it a specific video?

If it is specific, right click the video, copy the "embed code", then click the video button next to the smiley's and paste the embed code into the window.

You can also feel free to post the video in the Video section of the site as well.
Willi
Willi Feb 6 '18
Well, much of this discussion has now been overtaken by (sad) events, and some of the European countries have now closed their borders to unfettered immigration. BREXIT is a direct result of the dilemma, and serious crime rates like homicides and rapes have almost hone out of control in Europe. Yet there is still the blatant lie about "neo-NAZIS" around, which incorrectly labels those intent on protecting their countries from terrorist actions as fascists. Indeed the true fascists are the antisemitic Islamists, who happily fought on the side of Hitler during WW 2 ! Also in contrast to the deceptive officiall narrative, the Nazi party was not at all conservative not right-wing. The party's name alone gives the game away (National Socialist German Workers Party), and even their actions tell a clear tale of Socialist-style policies and enforcement. It seems, that most people were brainwashed and no longer know, what Fascism really is. Think about oppression of dissenting voices....

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