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Marisa Admin
Marisa Mar 26 '15
Our site stats for the last week:




IE has a whooping 12%!!!  I remember posting smth like that 5 years ago and it had like 75%.


But... it won't give up without a fight... 


OS:




damn Windows STILL has 47%... But less than a half.  5 years ago it was around 70% I think.


This world changes... 



billyHill Moderator
billyHill Mar 26 '15
i"m actually surprised that droid ranked #2. That means it was a good move to get mobile on the site. I just hope Oxwall gets some upgrades for the mobile portion of this software soon.

Maybe it would be a good idea to send those stats to the developers of Oxwall so they get the clue ?


It doesn't surprise me at all that Win-Doze is much lower on the list than it used to be. People are sick of their OS'es locking up on them, needing to back up hourly, all of the malware and virus threats, hacking holes..... o wow, the list is a long one.

Android is basically Linux, and Linux is like a freight train. It may not move very fast, but its impossible to stop it after it starts.

Its too bad those stats don't distinguish between different versions, such as XP, Windows 7,8, or the versions of Mac or IOS. That would be real interesting to know, too.
Marisa Admin
Marisa Mar 26 '15
Here you go, Billy. Win 7 is overwhelming. Not sure what is so great about it, not a Win-doze user, so clueless.



and yes, it is a pity Oxwall neglects mobile version.  

billyHill Moderator
billyHill Mar 26 '15
I have one Win-Doze machine here at the house and it has ME on it, and another partition with XP on it. I'm surprised to see 2000 out of 26,000 are XP users still. I guess MS stopping support for XP did not stop people from using it
Marisa Admin
Marisa Apr 4 '15
I am so glad I am on Linux!! Luckily for me, it will never be number one, not even number two or three, LOL.
billyHill Moderator
billyHill Apr 15 '15
its interesting to hear you say that, jerry. My wife just got a win8 laptop and asked me a few questions about it. It was in my hands for 10 minutes before I was ready to toss it through the nearest window toward the trash can.

I've been a mac person for a long time now, for many reasons. Ease of operation is the primary one.

Seeing Win8 in person reminded me of why so many people claim "I'm not a computer genius".... when it comes to their computers.
billyHill Moderator
billyHill Apr 17 '15

Quote from JerryBear

As far as I'm aware most, if not all the Linux implementations are all open source.

Red hat Linux is a distro that is no longer open source. Compaq bought the rights to it years ago, and made it cost money to use. At the time it was one of the most widely used OS'es for servers and other equipment.

Funny thing is, after they put a price tag on it, CentOS became the most widely used Linux distro for servers and the like.... CentOS is still open source. Compaq didn't gain a thing except from die hard Red Hat fans.

I'm sure there are other distro's of Linux that are not open source as well. They just aren't as popular as the open source ones.

https://distrowatch.com/

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/best-linux-distributions/

https://www.howtogeek.com/191207/10-of-the-most-popular-linux-distributions-compared/
billyHill Moderator
billyHill Aug 31 '15
so now Windows 10 is out, and it happens to be FREE for those upgrading from Vista, Win 7, 8, and possibly even those still using XP ( all though it probably will not run on any machines old enough to have XP on them).

Its interesting how they went from Windows 8 to 10 with no #9.... could that have something to do with the Mac OSX ( OS TEN) and hopes to confuse people?? I'd say yes.

Also, since their new OS is free to previous users of Windows, does that tell us that their sales have gone down so far they are trying to climb out of a bowl rubbed down with Crisco?? 

IE is gone in Win 10, it is now called "Edge" ( or something similar) ( Not the U2 guitarist)

Interesting questions anyhow..

What are your latest server stats now that Win 10 has been released, Marisa?
billyHill Moderator
billyHill Aug 31 '15
https://www.computerworld.com/article/2971957/web-browsers/edge-browser-fails-to-win-over-windows-10-users.html

Even with aggressive setup switching, Edge has been adopted by a minority of those running Windows 10, according to two metrics vendors

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Microsoft's new Edge browser is being used by a minority of those running Windows 10 -- between one-sixth and one-third -- according to data from a pair of analytics vendors.


The early returns on Edge not only hint at Microsoft's failure to get the earliest adopters to rely on the new browser, but also question Mozilla's contention that Windows 10's setup will result in defections from its own Firefox, or by association, other non-Microsoft browsers.


During July, Edge accounted for just 0.14% of all browsers tracked by California-based Net Applications. With Windows 10's user share standing at 0.39% for July -- and because Edge works only on Windows 10 -- the browser was run by about 36% of its potential users (0.14% divided by 0.39%).


Net Applications measures user share using visitor tallies to its customers' websites. The result is a rough estimate of the percentage of the world's online users who run a specific browser.


Data from StatCounter, an Irish metrics vendor, also showed that Edge was far from the universal browser of choice among people who have upgraded to Windows 10.

Over the first 16 days of August, Edge's global average daily usage share was 0.7%, far below the 4.4% average daily share of Windows 10. In other words, StatCounter pegged Edge as accounting for about 16% of the online activity of all Windows 10 owners.


Unlike Net Applications, StatCounter estimates usage share by tallying page views, generating a signal of activity rather than users.


It was impossible to determine which browsers were run on Windows 10 in place of Edge, as neither Net Applications or StatCounter break out their public data on browsers by operating system. The fractions that may have run Google's Chrome on Windows 10, for example, were masked by the fact that the browser also operates on more widespread operating systems, such as Microsoft's Windows 7 or even Apple's OS X.


(Again, the only reason why Edge's portion of the Windows 10 user base can be calculated is because Edge is exclusive to Windows 10. In the same way, the portion of Mac owners who run Safari, a browser exclusive to OS X on personal computers, can be estimated. Net Applications put Safari's user share at 5.1%, compared to OS X's 7.7%, meaning that about 66% of all Mac users run Safari as their primary browser.)

The low percentages of Windows 10 users currently running Edge signaled that Microsoft has not made its case for the new browser, at least among those who have jumped on the OS and its free upgrade. That's troubling, since Microsoft has positioned Edge as its browser of the future, and put in considerable effort to making it more compliant with standards, while relegating Internet Explorer (IE) in general, IE11 specifically, to a legacy support position.


At the same time, Edge's weakness counters Mozilla's assertion that because Windows 10 adopts the browser as the OS's default -- even if another had been set as the default on Windows 7 or 8.1 prior to upgrading to 10 -- Microsoft is unfairly leveraging its dominance in the desktop operating system market.


In a letter last month to Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella, Mozilla's chief executive, Chris Beard, slammed the switch to Edge. "The update experience [of Windows 10] appears to have been designed to throw away the choice your customers have made about the Internet experience they want, and replace it with the Internet experience Microsoft wants them to have," Beard wrote.


Mozilla published the letter to Nadella on its website July 30, a day after Microsoft began distributing Windows 10.


But the data from Net Applications and StatCounter show that the change to Edge promoted through Windows 10's Express Setup process has not resulted in a wholesale replacement of rival browsers.


That's not to say Beard's concerns were unfounded, either for Firefox specifically or non-Microsoft browsers in general. And it's entirely possible that Edge's user or usage share will grow as a percentage of the comparable statistics for Windows 10.


Yet the latest numbers from StatCounter -- which, again, measure activity, not users per se -- aren't encouraging for Microsoft and Edge. Since Aug. 1, Edge's share of Windows 10 has slipped, not snowballed as might be anticipated as the OS's user base accumulated more mainstream users and presumably tilted away from enthusiasts and power users who could be expected to retain their prior browsers.


In the past seven days' of StatCounter data, Edge activity accounted for 15.4% of Windows 10 activity overall, down from 16.6% during the seven days before that.

Edge share, two data sets Data: Net Applications, StatCounter

Edge's share of Windows 10, whether as user share (36% according to Net Applications, at the left) or usage share (16%, StatCounter, on the right) is surprisingly small, considering that Microsoft has aggressively promoted the new browser as the default during setup.


Marisa Admin
Marisa Sep 1 '15
Billy, here are the recent stats: 






Android and Chrome keep rising, Windoze and MSIE keep falling. 


So, no matter how much Bill Gates struggles and what he gives for free, personally I would never put my money in their stocks, only in Google stocks. 


Goooo Gooooogle, Gooooo!!! 

Marisa Admin
Marisa Sep 1 '15
forgot one chart, Windoze 10 is not overly popular so far.. 



billyHill Moderator
billyHill Mar 26 '16
another table for you, Marisa


The Forum post is edited by billyHill Mar 26 '16
billyHill Moderator
billyHill Feb 4 '17
and another. Looks like Chrome is tops.


Marisa Admin
Marisa Feb 4 '17
no wonder, since GC is a default browser on Android. 
mcpbrian
mcpbrian May 11 '17
When I "upgraded" to windows 10, the first thing I didn't like was Edge! My favorites were gone and it was a major pain in the a_ _ to find them again. Control panel sucks anymore too but I had gotten used to it from Win8. It seems Microsoft wants to take control of everything and not let anyone make changes for themselves. I got an MS certification in networking and I am embarrassed to tell anyone anymore.
Willi
Willi Jan 29 '18
I am not at all surprised by the large number of Windoze XP users. It was the last relatively stable and backwards compatible OS, that MS released. Vista was awful, unstable and never properly patched, which hit consumer confidence seriously. The main reason for the problems was the changed "driver model",  which prevented lots of useful soft ware from  working. It impacted especially  games and music software along with some other multimedia applications. In my case my favorite software synthesizer, Yamaha's SY-XG 50 keeps me maintaining a machine running XP. The vastly superior sound quality makes this worthwhile. 

I prefer Linux for other uses, but only a fully implemented hardware XG MIDI synthesizer (bulky and pricey)would improve on the soft synth. 

Of course, XP still does everything a humble computer user needs, so why upgrade ? Interestingly Windoze 2000 is even more stable than a well-patched XP but with Win 98 looks. These old operating systems are very fast (but slower than most  Linux distribution​s of the time) on older hardware.

Despite the latest efforts to push their own Internet browser,  it looks like it is too late for Microsoft to have a noticeable impact on the market. Widow dressing never could improve a bad product.

Traveled
Traveled Aug 5 '18
Windows 7 is still very good as well.


Windows 8 and 10...blech


Windows needs a re-write to its core. Even more so, the basic machine code that Windows interfaces with should be looked at so that multi-core processing can be better utilized and not just leave it it to the OS to do the optimizations.

Willi
Willi Aug 23 '18
I agree, that from the point of usability Wndows 7 is an acceptable OS,, the original wWindow 8 stinks but 8.1 was a huge improvement. It also still offers the options to discard the eye-candy and give it the simple looks and improved usability of Windows 98 second edition, which was surprisingly easy and fast to use. It did not (yet) try to be like a flashy video game, which sharply improved performance (just like Windows 2000). I run my desktop with a solid color backdrop instead of a wallpaper image which is fine, because I tend to run most programs full screen, so the deaktop is rarely visible anyway. 

Of course this reduces the use of the swap file, which I move to a small first partition on a second hard drive speeding things up considerably. The temaonder of the hatd disk is used for data storage outside the "My Computer" hierarchy. 

Sadly the driver model was changed after Windows XP, which made much of older apps and hardware incompatible. Lately I had to "rescue" a very well-specified and originally rather expensive, large laptop from HP, which in theory is capable of tinning even Windows 10, but the tjong was designed for Windows Vista Media Center,as the only OS, for which the numerous hardware drivers were written, so any OS upgrade or downgrade was impossible. I tried to install Linux Mint instead, it succeeded, and now the machine is once more fully  functional ! 

I am beginning to believe in miracles of the technical kind now....

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