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Kimo
Kimo Nov 16 '15
It's now or never to stand up and to destroy ISIS and to start to expulse everybody who preach charia in the occident - liberty is worth fighting for...


I might now live in belgium since many years but paris is in my heart forever and will be always....


wind090
wind090 Nov 16 '15
This may become a hard piece of work! Maybe we should think about the right tools?! ...and it will take a lot of us (if not all) to accomplish this work. 
Kimo
Kimo Nov 16 '15
Well sure france beeing a nato and euro member if attacked and others no follow better to cancel europe all together.....
Bluerider003
Bluerider003 Nov 16 '15
It would take combat troops and Armour to do it.  At this time I do not see anyone willing to commit themselves to that degree but time will tell.
wind090
wind090 Nov 17 '15

Mmmhhmm, Kimo, if I heard yesterday in some German news, last week the bavarian police captured one of those guys, apperently on ist way to Paris. When they adressed to the French authorities to give them a warning they got the reply they should use the official way! (And apperntly nothing was done!!!)


@bluerider: Combat troops? Some 15 or 20 years ago we had only several 1000 of those guys most of them in Afghanistan thanks to Mr. Reagan supporting them to fight against the Soviets. Then Mr. Bush started his "war against terrorism" and now we've got several 100000 if not millions of those guys! You may say about those dictators like Saddam Hussein whatever you want, but they couldn't and can't afford religious extremists! The only way to win this war is to build schools and universities, to provide the People over there with GOOD jobs, to provide them a life worth living. You can not just drop a few bombs and everything is fine afterwards! ...and if you send troops there it is exactly what they want. They want us to bleed to death slowly. They want even more countries involved in war, even more people brought to bad circumstances of life, to get even more followers. If you want to fight such people (at least they are no people anymore) you need to adapt their way of fighting: You need to spread fear among their lines. You need to infiltrate into them, make some of them wake up mutilated with the ones surrounding them dead. They shall never know who hit them, but they must feel they're save nowhere! They shall keep their best friends for the enemy and the other way around!  

Kimo
Kimo Nov 18 '15
Yes a bit sad all that - let's see what happens next.....


wind090
wind090 Nov 18 '15
What happens next? They'll go on bombing and shooting and our politicians will send troops. It will be even more bloody and the terrorists will be closer to reach their goals. :(  
Kimo
Kimo Nov 18 '15
Fact is that we will have to find new ways - more they are not immigrants they are well instructed in computers out of our own schools trained by Isis and back home to die as freedom kamikaze fighters that ain't a normal war can be any wanna be or regressing european - any neighbour or co worker - we have to find new intelligence ways find way to decrypt their chats and messages etc... And we are not trained in that...


Germany has 4 million moslems france 5 million usa 4.5 million etc.... Every western country a good million or more.... Not  only syria - 80% of them are westerners from canada usa europe and russia....

The Forum post is edited by Kimo Nov 18 '15
wind090
wind090 Nov 18 '15

The problem is, if you see no future in your life, feel alone and mistreated and then there are those guys, providing you with a feeling of being needed, it is hard to withstand! Maybe we should think about what is wrong in our society when young people see more future in a misinterpreted religion as human bombs instead of a life here.

If I only look at myself, I got a real good education, but it is impossible to me to get a job here in my job. I commited the mistake of wanting to stay here in my home region, studying in a nearby university, trying to get a job here afterwards.  Now I'm underqualified because I'm overqualified, do not get invited for job interviews because I did study for too long (out of the view of people who never saw a unioversity from the insight!) and am being valued by people who do not even know about my qualification. ...while people who are within the "network" get these jobs, even without the requested academic grade (but those know somebody or are in the right political party). 

So if you take somebody like me, who never is given a real chance and the chances he worked for are taken away and given to some good friend, don't you think it might sound interesting if somebody tells him he would help him and he would never have to care for anything in the future?! It's the same the neo-nazis did around here when I was round about 14 years old. I refused to them, but some of the ones who went with them do now sot in the perliament for M....'s party!!!

In a world where all relation is lost, backbone is preached but the ones who prove as invertebrates are presented, what shall young people think?! All they look for is some order and companionship! ...and they assume to find it among the ones we should fight against.               

Kimo
Kimo Nov 21 '15
Yes our societies are responsible for all that a bit too - a lot have to be said and made better
wind090
wind090 Nov 22 '15
That problem won't change easy! Our life is still too good as that a moyority of people would stand up to do something while our "professional politicians" only care about themselves and how to stay in charge of the power. Having a good image in the press and repeating what their party's line is, is more important to them instead of listening to what the peoples thoughts and opinions are!    
Kimo
Kimo Dec 7 '15
What happened now for france is that this sunday the FN a nationalist neo nazi party could win more than half of french regions - and i see nothing that could unite republicans and socialists against it - sarkosy declared yesterday no union with socialists tho let's see what happen next sunday.....


The FN now is first french party - tho without a union left right they might win 3/4 of all french regions..... And others like belgium or holland might follow next elections.... 


Right is already unified and socialist like always will get votes of communist trozkists and ecologists all are left but without a union right and left there is no way to stop the National Front of Marine Le Pen.....



The Forum post is edited by Kimo Dec 7 '15
wind090
wind090 Dec 7 '15

I guess that's a European problem! If you look at the EU, the laws are made in Brussels (... and thanks to French interests in Strasbourg as well ;), with costs for the traveling of the parliament) and afterwards only "interpreted" by the national parliaments instead of introduced as they are intended to be. If you take a closer look at the minds of our fellow Europeans, you can get the impression we are back in 1905! There are nationalists almost everywhere (Poland, Hungary, the Baltics, Great Britain of course, ...) who see the EU as means of gaining money, but at the same time want to introduce a strong national state. According to them all the bad things are achieved by the EU and all the good things are achieved by them. They take the money and if they should give something back to the community they point their finger at Germany and ask for reparation of WWII. So maybe in some aspects we're allready in 1919. We've those nationalist streams everywhere, telling the people how great they are. But like most stupid people they are only able to rise themselves buy reducing "the others". Maybe those "wise" nationalists should take a look at the other side of the Atlantic. Who won the civil war over there? The ones with strong independent states or the ones with a strong central gouvernment?! Europe can only be strong if we got the same laws, the same rights and duties and the same opportunities everywhere! In our days the only true difference in between us is the different language. The ones who say that we are so different are the ones who are at least different.

It is not our national state or national pride that makes us unique, it is preserving our traditions. Those traditions are different in the different regions of Germany the same way the are different all over Europe. There is not "the" German, "the" French, "the" Polish, "the"... tradition. There are different traditions in every region of each european country. Didn't those one who now argue in this nationalist way learn out of 1914 to 1918?!          

Kimo
Kimo Dec 7 '15
Well what creates this is more unemployment and work delocalisation if a minimum salary is 1500 in belgium 1000 for the same job in spain 800 in portugal or 600 in slovakia and factories can move from one state to another without beeing taxed more by destroying work places in their initial countries - that is something to start with that cannot work - that create mostly the problem - or if you try to reach a phone inquyry for french speaking countries you land un french arabic countries or for uk in india or pakistan even for most state owned companies - tho anyway the union isn't working at all - i listen to some belgian french or dutch voices to go back to the initial union (the benelux kingdoms, france and germany) and broke up that 28 state union.... Those issues is what nationalists surf on - plus now the fear of like 20 millions or more moslems in the union with that war on isis.....


Just an exemole i'm faced before i worked as accountant for SIemens Europe in brussels who payed around 2000-2500 but than they decided to move to portugal they send us a letter we could follow and a salary of 900 nearly 3 times less - sure no one accepted except the few bosses which salary wasn't touched - that is just one exemple - how can such a union work if the big woolfes that control our economies don't play the game? It cannot work like Nike or addidas making shoes in pakistan and still selling them here for 100 euros but by reducing their salaries by x10 producing there - we should tax their goods at least for that difference - and we could go on and on.... What doesn't work here....

The Forum post is edited by Kimo Dec 7 '15
wind090
wind090 Dec 7 '15

There is always this difference with what do I expect and what do I deserve...  


When we introduced the Euro I guess German wages were among the best in the EU. Then with the Euro you had maybe 1000 € instead of 2000 DM. If you look at some southern european countries they did it another way...  What happened next was that the prices in € soon became the same as in DM. So the German wage soon was only half the wage in € as it was in DM before, while maybe in Greece or Spain the wage effectifely, compared to the German wage was 3 times as much or 4 times as much than before, without being able to buy more for that amount of money. All Merkel's Administration has done with that is about the same the Adenauer administration and the ones following  were doing with the Bretton-Woods-Agreement. By then the D-Mark was underestimated what resulted in the Western German economic boom after WWII. Now Merkel's administration has a similar system, resulting in a economic boom in Germany while destroying the economy of the other EU-countries. There the work isn't cheap enough anymore while we have become a low wage country. Aditionally here in Germany we've zones with bad economy like the one here were I live. In these zones thge companies get better tax conditions and subventions to move there, resulting in closing their factories somewhere else, opening up new ones around here. Funnyly, those companies may have profited from the Eastern German downfall 25 years ago, getting almost presented with the factories here, they closed to eleminate competition (also subventioned...) and now coming back here to open up new factories (until the money from the subventions is over). So what shall I say about this?!  Merkel just acts as it is best for the ones who pay her party's bills! Sometimes you could think she is more acting following US-interests than EU- or German interests. Who needs TTIP?! For most Europeans this will be a very expensive thing to come, making us some kind of US-colony. (Just look at Mexico!!!) Why to put an end on Gaddafi, Mubarak and Assad if not to drive the Russians out of the Mediterrainian (Not to mention the situation in the Ukraine...)? What did it bring? Terrorists replaced by terrorists and a new arms race! Refugees coming to us. (How many refugees did the US take?!) But that's the problem, with building universities you can't make the same Money as with selling arms!

I don't care about moslems and christs as to me they are all the same religion, in the end jewish sects, giving the same god a different name but following different rites. What makes me scare is the number and much more the ones to control this number! A single human is able to think and to meet decisions. A large crowd is just following to what the leader says. (I guess you know what leader translated into German is...  ...and exactly this is the effect resulting!)           

Kimo
Kimo Dec 7 '15
Yes tax dumping in east europe and mostly ireland and luxembourg even belgium with many rich tax refugees - merkels dumping too - no collabaration of poland hungary slovakia and so on lol funny union
wind090
wind090 Dec 7 '15
...and we've "Fachkräftemangel" - lack of qualified personnal as our politicians and economy propose. The same politicians and people that made almost all people of my age move towards the western parts of Germany and to foreighn countries (...and still make! I won't get a job here unless I create my own!). We've no lack of qualified people here (unless our professional politicians), all we've got is a lack of people who want to pay appropriate wages for qualified work!   
Kimo
Kimo Dec 20 '15
The management of savagery


That's the bible of ISIS - that's the book used to train ISIS fighters the principle of terror war... Strange no one talks about it - I put in my box for all fellow users here..... To add something new to the topic here....

wind090
wind090 Dec 21 '15
I don't really want to read that!   What is much more a crime I would say is that their TV-stations are still on the satellite! Easily and freely to receive throughout Europe, parts of Asia and Africa!

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